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作者: itany 时间: 2008-9-23 00:27
标题: INQ指NV的芯片组也出现严重缺陷
Nvidia chipsets are defective too
BumpGate Only 630, 7050, 7100 and 7150 changed for no reason

By Charlie Demerjian: Monday, 22 September 2008, 4:50 PM

LOOKS LIKE THOSE wacky folk at Nvidia are at it again, changing perfectly good chipsets for no reason. If you recall, they changed the G86 parts and the G92/G92b as well, for no reason.

Luckily, the firm seems to be spending money like there is no tomorrow, it has nothing to do with the fact that they have a few warehouses full of defective chips, they seem to want to keep their validation engineers fully employed this time of year for no apparent reason. This time, the chipsets being changed are being changed 'just because', and the bump material has nothing to do with crapping out. Really. This, this and this are vague guesses.

So, with that, we bring you word of the next PCN, this time for chipsets, or 'motherboard GPUs' if you are terminally stupid enough to believe the marketing hype.
Because this one is no different from the other two PCNs linked above, we will skip the detailed description and just bring you the pertinent details. Should you want the formatting, it is still here.

This little ditty is called "MCP73 Products Change Bump Material from High Pb Solder to Eutectic Solder"", and is confidential, NDA'd, and has a June 2008 date. The PCN # for the pedantic is PCN0353A. Nothing new there.

Page 2 has a more exact date of June 13, 2008, with a PCN submit date of June 13, 2008 as well. Planned Implementation Date is July 25, 2008, and Proposed First Ship Date for change is August 17, 2008. This means that the parts should be hitting the shelves about now, so if you want to buy a low performance MCP, you can buy in moderate safety now. It is still a Class 1 change.

The list of the affected parts is: NF-630I-A2, NF-7050-610I-A2, NF-7050-620I-A2, NF-7050-630I-A2, NF-7100-630I-A2 and NF-7150-630I-A2. It looks like this is an admission that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 630, 7050, 7100 and 7150, they just are changing them just because. No need to panic, really.

Page 3 has the same diagram as the G92 PCN, and the same reasoning, to enhance package robustness. We guess they can't use the term failure, defect, or crib death in a PCN. Odd really. In any case, the qual data is available now, with samples going out on July 18, 2008. Eutectic bump products will be marked with a trailing R on the lot #, but no box marking for underfill this time.

The document ends up on a humorous note. There are two different dates, a generic June, and June 13, both 2008, earlier in the PCN. On the page 4, they have 7/11/08 listed for Revision A, the initial release. Come on guys, a little proofreading here and there wouldn't kill you. It would kill us, but you guys have the pretence of professionalism. µ

作者: itany 时间: 2008-9-23 00:28
看来INQ和NV已经到了白热化的程度了

作者: rapfish 时间: 2008-9-23 00:29
:funk: 还好有美国ZF7000W美刀在等着救大家呢

作者: rapfish 时间: 2008-9-23 00:31
{hug:] 没错是亿:a)

作者: aimbot 时间: 2008-9-23 00:32
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作者: Prescott 时间: 2008-9-23 00:49
靠，还要不要NV活啊。{huffy:]

作者: jackpeng33 时间: 2008-9-23 00:50
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作者: ckdrster 时间: 2008-9-23 01:10

原帖由 aimbot 于 2008-9-23 00:32 发表
貌似没在各种IT论坛上发现有用户报告正常使用的NV芯片主板故障率高的消息。

我想，至少650I的故障率不低吧
第一次帮朋友买，影驰3MOS版，没问题
第二次自己买，XFX 4MOS版，正常使用一周就不亮了
第三次帮朋友买，J D特价333的XFX 4MOS版，才到手4个内存槽只有一个能用，开始是无法进系统，死机重启，当天下午就不亮，发回J D，换了一块，到手测试，不亮，今天再次发回J D，天知道它又给我发什么板来

作者: 奶牛老仙 时间: 2008-9-23 02:20
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作者: kunnsr 时间: 2008-9-23 02:55
也不看看现在都什么时候了都清库存了不然JD那来这么便宜说难听点现在JD那些货指不定都是来做售后储备的板子

作者: Iva 时间: 2008-9-23 04:17
接下来，NV工作人员涉嫌贪污，洗钱，杀人，放火
NV公司涉嫌抄袭，垄断，非法收购
公司建筑规格不达标，豆腐渣工程，防火通道设计不良，霸占居民楼，工作人员态度恶劣
Nvidia品牌标志涉嫌人身攻击某些厂商
全球四处出现游戏迷杀人狂，经调查，犯人痴迷的游戏均写有the way，由Nvidia公司赞助

作者: geoxf 时间: 2008-9-23 07:33
哎，不说了！{cry:]

作者: gaot 时间: 2008-9-23 07:36
自从自己和很多朋友的nf4芯片烧了以后，对nv芯片就信不过

作者: ffflm 时间: 2008-9-23 08:12
看来偶用了4年的nf2还健在已经是奇迹了,650i用了1年没挂也成了RP大爆发了{lol:] {lol:] {lol:]

作者: westlee 时间: 2008-9-23 08:18
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作者: goldman948 时间: 2008-9-23 08:37
nv的彩盒也绝对有缺陷,INQ快点报吧{lol:]

作者: daniel_k 时间: 2008-9-23 08:37

原帖由 itany 于 2008-9-23 00:27 发表
Nvidia chipsets are defective too
BumpGate Only 630, 7050, 7100 and 7150 changed for no reason

By Charlie Demerjian: Monday, 22 September 2008, 4:50 PM

LOOKS LIKE THOSE wacky folk at N ...

intel有可能收购NV吗？如果是的话就好了，既能用上intel强悍的规范，又有NV牛逼的软件，简直是天·下·无·敌！

作者: winfast007 时间: 2008-9-23 09:00
NV为啥没有律师团。。上次乱报G92出问题的时候就应该把这个鸟站好好的修理一下

作者: jiaa 时间: 2008-9-23 09:02
{sweat:] 一年前帮人装了N记MCP68的集成板,没事发生.

作者: rxx 时间: 2008-9-23 09:02
650i，1年半多了，bt专用机，未见问题。

作者: magicasper 时间: 2008-9-23 09:05
遇到财务困难肯定会削减用来打点媒体的广告费
本来拿了nv的钱，现在拿不到了，那岂不是比从来没拿过更恨nv？
{blush:]

作者: indiana 时间: 2008-9-23 09:08
没去告INQ，而是选择沉默，这很不同寻常啊

作者: Asuka 时间: 2008-9-23 09:08
INQ {shy:] {shy:]

作者: itany 时间: 2008-9-23 09:57

原帖由 daniel_k 于 2008-9-23 08:37 发表

intel有可能收购NV吗？如果是的话就好了，既能用上intel强悍的规范，又有NV牛逼的软件，简直是天·下·无·敌！

我也希望能收购啊……
{mellow:]

作者: justwater 时间: 2008-9-23 11:07
本来我倒是有点相信桌面版本的gpu也有问题，今天看见这个消息，反而释然了。有问题才怪了

作者: cjm1983 时间: 2008-9-23 11:11
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作者: nv--ati 时间: 2008-9-23 11:13
这个估计对NV影响不是太大
NV的芯片组问题多多也不是一天两天了，NV推的SLI主板连Nfan都不敢买

NV还是专心做显卡好些，做好了一样赚大钱

作者: liutiao3 时间: 2008-9-23 13:33

原帖由 jackpeng33 于 2008-9-23 00:50 发表
看看PCI情况就知了，AMD的倒N宣传真是不畏余力啊，把无变有，把小放大:shifty:

网络打手操作流程：
1、寻找竞争对手弱点，并将其放大，制造话题。
2、在论坛上注册马甲，将话题同时在多个网站抛出，最好与版主商量好，可以置顶、加精。
3、雇佣水军，在各种论坛上不断发贴、跟贴、造成群体效应。
4、有时也反其道而行之，故意说竞争对手好，但用比较夸张的写法，引起人们的反感。
5、低级网络打手以谩骂、诽谤为主，语言通常比较夸张，但没有说服力，枪手感觉很浓
6、高级网络打手则以话题为主，打手痕迹不明显。

作者: liutiao3 时间: 2008-9-23 13:35
　　　　　　　　　　
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作者: clawhammer 时间: 2008-9-23 13:40
INQ是不是活腻了想被关闭了？

作者: 莫问我是谁 时间: 2008-9-23 18:51
NF550+3500+,bt专用机+24小时网游挂机打钱，两年来貌似没出过问题{victory:]

作者: iamadao 时间: 2008-9-23 20:40

原帖由 ckdrster 于 2008-9-23 01:10 发表

我想，至少650I的故障率不低吧
第一次帮朋友买，影驰3MOS版，没问题
第二次自己买，XFX 4MOS版，正常使用一周就不亮了
第三次帮朋友买，J D特价333的XFX 4MOS版，才到手4个内存槽只有一个能用，开始是无法进系统 ...

我也帮很多人配了XFX 4MOS版650I，我自己也是这块，使用效果都很好，也有好几个月了，没一块有问题的，还都很能超

作者: 1年1次 时间: 2008-9-23 21:04
BumpGate Only 630, 7050, 7100 and 7150 changed for no reason

怎么翻译？只有630, 7050, 7100 and 7150 没问题？

作者: XinLi 时间: 2008-9-23 21:10
其实NV所有产品都有严重的缺陷....

还是AMD-ATI厚道啊...

都去买AMD-ATI产品吧...

让NV自生自灭...呵呵！

作者: neuzeng 时间: 2008-9-23 22:07
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作者: NV60 时间: 2008-9-24 00:19
INQ算什么鸟东西，随便放个P满世界转它的消息，真无聊:sleeping:

作者: jackpeng33 时间: 2008-9-24 00:56
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作者: ckdrster 时间: 2008-9-24 03:14

原帖由 westlee 于 2008-9-23 08:18 发表

这篇报道里面没有提到650i。

我的帖子貌似是就前面网友所说的没有见NV芯片大面积故障说说自己的感受
对了，说到NF4，我有个朋友在本地一家维修公司，据他说，华硕的NF4主板芯片挂了的很多，他自己的也挂了，技嘉的NF4很多芯片虚焊，我另一个朋友的GA NF4就是芯片虚焊以后SATA接口失灵

作者: ckdrster 时间: 2008-9-24 03:16

原帖由 iamadao 于 2008-9-23 20:40 发表

我也帮很多人配了XFX 4MOS版650I，我自己也是这块，使用效果都很好，也有好几个月了，没一块有问题的，还都很能超

只能说我RP大爆发了，今天给JD电话，请他们这次发板前先点一下，即使是旧的也无所谓，答曰不可试...

作者: zippoxl 时间: 2008-9-24 05:27
大奶和二奶都是650i，年初帮别人配2块c68，3年前朋友的NF4一直OC至今

芯片组除了i就是n，另外的全是渣

2160+650i+4850+神条=爽翻了

作者: llmmnn2007 时间: 2008-9-24 08:22
有问题又怎样？这种规模的公司永远不出问题，可能吗？intel的P1就出过问题，其他就不说了，结果又怎样？
我用过的NV的DD不多，N年前的帝盟的TNT 8M，小影霸的TNT2 32M，现在收藏了。05年的DFI LP NF4 UD到现在都好得很。
NV的DD不会死，只会慢慢消失。

作者: ATI专业卡 时间: 2008-9-24 22:38
标题: Fabless business model \'stressed out,\' says analyst
EE Times:

Fabless business model 'stressed out,' says analyst
Nvidia reportedly not getting enough 55-nm capacity from TSMC

http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210601146

Dylan McGrath
EE Times
(09/11/2008 3:27 H EDT)

SAN FRANCISO—Nvidia Corp. is not getting the 55-nm capacity it needs from silicon foundry giant Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC), a problem likely to worsen as the graphics chip maker moves to the 40-nm node, according to Doug Freedman, an analyst at American Technology Research.
In a report published Thursday (Sept. 11), Freedman wrote that the "fabless business model seems to be getting stressed out" and that the Nvidia-TSMC relationship "sounds problematic" and "needs to evolve."

In order to minimize its own risk, TSMC is building less capacity as it ramps new technology nodes, according to Freedman. TSMC doesn't get enough visibility from its smaller customers such as Xilinx Inc., Altera Corp. and Broadcom Corp., Freedman wrote, so the foundry cannot take the risk of building new capacity to support larger customers. Nvidia is TSMC's largest customer, he noted.

TSMC's board of directors last month approved a $795 million capital spending plan that includes a push into 45-/40-nm CMOS processes and MEMS.

Last month, Nvidia reported second quarter financial results which included a charge of $196 million to cover a recall of faulty chips. An Nvidia spokesman initially blamed TSMC for the recall, due to a ''weak die/packaging material'' in select devices. The spokesman later recanted, saying Nvidia "worked closely with TSMC on packaging and the material.''

On Tuesday, a New York law firm said it filed a fraud class action lawsuit on behalf of Nvidia investors accusing Nvidia of failing to disclose "unusually high failure rates" or mobile video adapters. The suit, brought by Shalov Stone Bonner & Rocco LLP, names Nvidia, CEO Jen-Hsun Huang and Chief Financial Officer Marvin Burkett and alleges that they issued a series of misrepresentations and omissions relating to the failure rates of the recalled chips.

According to Freedman's report, none of the chips shipped by Nvidia were bad. Some chips were being run at cycle times that were too high for notebooks which led to packages cracking, Freedman said. According to Freedman, the parts Nvidia was shipping were good, but being run in the wrong notebooks.

Freedman also said Nvidia underestimated Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s latest graphics chip offerings, including the price and performance. Nvidia cut its own prices to stop market share loss, which appears to be working, Freedman wrote.

Last week, Tristan Gerra, an analyst with financial management company Robert W. Baird & Co., said TSMC is seeing orders down substantially in the fourth quarter and could see its manufacturing utilization rates drop to their lowest percentage in five years. Last month, Mehdi Hosseini, an analyst with Friedman Billings Ramsey & Co. Inc., cut his forecast for TSMC due to lower-than-expected demand from foundry customers.

作者: realfamous 时间: 2008-9-25 17:37
用过NF2 IGP 芯片主板的苦主。。。从此对有设计考虑不足的N板异常小心

作者: Bohr 时间: 2008-9-25 19:42
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