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标题: K8架构被AMD抛弃, AMD K10可能提前上市2008 [打印本页]

作者: hopetoknow2 时间: 2006-6-23 12:03
标题: K8架构被AMD抛弃, AMD K10可能提前上市2008
AMD将抛弃落后的K8架构， K8L将成为K8处理器中最短的短命鬼。

只是现在到2008，不知道AMD要换几次主板和内存接口。看来是至少2次

根据AMD CEO介绍， 2008年AMD将向市场推出新架构的处理器了，迎战Core。
(看来十有八九， K8L还是搞不过Core了)。

根据目前的情况看，暂时可以YY，在2008年的市场中出现K10。YY如下：
K10是一种装备了Trace Cache的新架构处理器(学习8年前的P4)。并数据存储方面采用了memory file技术缓解x86寄存器不足频繁访存的问题，比Intel的memory disambiguation要复杂些。同时继续学习8年前的P4，开始使用replay和replay相关的投机执行机制。

作者: hopetoknow2 时间: 2006-6-23 12:03
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060622014633.html

作者: 来不及思考 时间: 2006-6-23 12:48
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作者: elisha 时间: 2006-6-23 12:49
没有任何证据显示这是K10呀，K8L的宣布都还没过多久，哪有这么快就被抛弃的道理呀

作者: jpbird 时间: 2006-6-23 12:55
LZ给的网页新闻里没看出任何不是K8L或是K10的字眼，LZ在吓编。

作者: Edison 时间: 2006-6-23 13:30
AMD's Plan of Attack

CEO Ruiz says the chipmaker will battle rival Intel with "open platforms" so its products and its partners' can work better together.

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Chairman and CEO Hector Ruiz is basking in a year of unprecedented profit and revenue growth at the world's second-largest chipmaker. AMD also has been gaining market share in key segments of the server chip business and at retail against its giant rival Intel (see BW Online, 6/12/06, "AMD: Chipping Away At Intel's Lead"). Its biggest win to date came in May, when Dell, the last major holdout to buying its chips, announced it would begin selling AMD-based servers later this year (see BW Online, 5/19/06, "AMD Inside"). Still, the Sunnyvale (Calif.) company looks to face tougher going in just a few short weeks as Intel (INTC) rolls out the first in a series of powerful, energy-sipping chips called Core 2.

After AMD laid out its own road map for continuing its gains during its June 1 technology-analyst day, BusinessWeek Technology Correspondent Cliff Edwards quizzed Ruiz about the strategy and challenges ahead. Central to Ruiz's approach is increasing AMD's number of partnerships with software vendors and other chipmakers such as Nvidia (NVDA), Atheros (ATHR), and Broadcom (BRCM).

All those companies face challenges from Intel's platform strategy, in which it bundles microprocessors with graphic chips, wireless chips, and software to take a larger share of the business away from them. To combat that, AMD announced it would open its architecture to such partners, letting them bake their technology into AMD parts more closely, ideally meaning that they will work better together. The following are edited excerpts of their exchange:

You introduced a plan, called Torrenza, that sounds like your answer to Intel's platform approach, where you team up with other companies to create what you call "open platforms." What kind of reception are you seeing from this approach?

Customers are finding the fact that we are opening up our architecture very attractive. There are some segments where raw chip performance is important, but that's a small segment of the market. As [Intel] closes the technology gap, it will be a much tighter race, but we're going to introduce a really new architecture that will work well with our partners for the best performance. We're going to start sampling it at the end of 2007 and roll it out in 2008.

Once again, we're going to distance ourselves from them. The good news for customers: [Intel is] getting better, but it's not a new architecture. We're in the throes of finalizing the architecture we're going to introduce next, and that's going to be killer.

That may be true, but Intel is accelerating its road map. It looks like you'll be months behind in terms of process technology over the next few years, which could give them some performance advantages. How do you fight that perception in the marketplace?

We were a year behind in 90 nanometers and nobody ever asked me if Opteron (AMD's server chip) was a 65-nanometer chip or 90-nanometer chip. They just asked, "How well does Opteron perform?" -- and they liked what they saw.

I don't see that as very different this time around. We're going to have great products and people are not going to care.

Where do you see your main points of attack, though?

I'm following the George Patton philosophy. We're not going to defend [trash], we're just going to attack, attack, attack. We're going to attack in servers, desktop, mobile...everywhere. We're not interested in defending. Somebody asked [Patton], "Hey, should we dig a trench or a hole?" He said, "You do that, you die." Same thing here.

Don't you think Intel will be much more competitive this time around, given that it's more a technology game?

When we introduced Athlon (in 1999), that was a better product. They reacted by making a Pentium 4, saying we're going to go all the way to 10 gigahertz. That didn't work.

This crummy architecture they called the Pentium 4, they struggled with. They're now introducing a new set of products, but it's still the same basic architecture. They have a better core, but I think what's happening is the battle is no longer about the core. Customers are looking for architectural performance, innovation.

Before the Dell (DELL) win, AMD won some customers with an almost anti-Dell pitch, or "how you can differentiate from Dell" pitch. Is there some concern that customers like HP (HPQ), Sun (SUNW), and the like might start backing off on using AMD parts?

We have stated often that we would like to have Dell as an AMD customer, and are very pleased that Dell has decided to offer servers based on AMD. We look forward to working with Dell to continue to address how they can meet their customers' needs using AMD64 processor technology.

Our relationship with our OEM (original equipment manufacturer) partners has never been stronger, and they are expanding their AMD-based product lines. They understand and realize that it's important for our long-term growth and success to support Dell as a customer.

The company's two top executives are constantly in China and South America. How important will that relationship be going forward? What percent of revenues is international now, and what percent are you targeting in the next five years?

Our international revenues are roughly 70 percent and this number will increase over time. China, India, South America, South Asia are the future -- China in particular. We believe we need to be successful in China if we are to be successful overall.

The challenge is how very differently each country is developing. Many of the smaller towns in each of these areas have inconsistent power and limited broadband, but in a few years they will be the backbone of the India PC industry. This is probably how Proctor & Gamble (PG) felt when they were bringing sundries to America's frontiers. We are an important part in connecting the world, and we will participate and lead where the growth is occurring.

出自这篇？

作者: txdyr 时间: 2006-6-23 13:40

原帖由 HECATE 于 2006-6-23 13:31 发表
K9哪去了???

同问呀.

作者: rzy6 时间: 2006-6-23 13:40
学习P4……岂不……执行效率低？

作者: zacard 时间: 2006-6-23 13:42
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作者: hopetoknow2 时间: 2006-6-23 13:46

原帖由 elisha 于 2006-6-23 12:49 发表
没有任何证据显示这是K10呀，K8L的宣布都还没过多久，哪有这么快就被抛弃的道理呀

K8L是07年

这个是08年

作者: hopetoknow2 时间: 2006-6-23 13:56

原帖由 Edison 于 2006-6-23 13:30 发表
We’re going to introduce a really new architecture that will work well with our partners for the best performance. We’re going to start sampling it at the end of 2007 and roll it out in 2008,” said Hector Ruiz, chief executive of AMD,

really new architecture这不会是K8L. K8L明年中期之后,就上市了, K8L是roll it out in 2007.

really new architecture是新架构.

还因为AMD认为将比之下, Core不是really new architecture.

作者: hopetoknow2 时间: 2006-6-23 14:02

原帖由 jpbird 于 2006-6-23 12:55 发表
LZ给的网页新闻里没看出任何不是K8L或是K10的字眼，LZ在吓编。

AMD CEO说K8L在2008才roll out?

那你真应该哭去吧.

作者: hopetoknow2 时间: 2006-6-23 14:05

原帖由 HECATE 于 2006-6-23 13:31 发表
K9哪去了???

由于AMD心理因素现在都不让说K9了，所以只说K10来作为AMD的下代架构的代码

作者: hopetoknow2 时间: 2006-6-23 16:37

原帖由 不老牛奶 于 2006-6-23 13:49 发表
笑死了，抛弃K8？拜托，人家还要领先到2008年呢——

Torrenza开放平台到2008才有产品上市？

Torrenza开放平台，搞搞HT插槽, 在AMD老总眼中，是真正的新架构？ AMD就指望这个来救命了？

也许吧?

作者: ITANIUM2 时间: 2006-6-23 16:41
听说K9被取消了

作者: 单晶硅传奇 时间: 2006-6-23 21:38

原帖由 ITANIUM2 于 2006-6-23 16:41 发表
听说K9被取消了

狗牙的名称直接跳过了而已，一定要算的话K8L就是狗牙了

作者: AFXIF 时间: 2006-6-23 21:44
08年英特尔的计划上也是下代产品了

作者: 雨之间 时间: 2006-6-23 22:49
AMD 把intel的那招学会了
光说今后会咂的
目前的一点也不敢提了

作者: 雨之间 时间: 2006-6-23 22:59
lz 提示一下那句话说k8L 挂了

作者: 雨之间 时间: 2006-6-23 23:04
rumor and canard
everyone become predictor

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2006-6-24 00:04

原帖由 单晶硅传奇 于 2006-6-23 21:38 发表

狗牙的名称直接跳过了而已，一定要算的话K8L就是狗牙了

canine:lol:
hound后缀:p
K8L以及其衍生版本怎么会取这个后缀的

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