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标题: 谁说R600的专业性能很强的来着？ [打印本页]

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-25 22:55
标题: 谁说R600的专业性能很强的来着？
没发现嘛

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Testbed and MethodsWith the review of the Radeon HD 2900 XT we decided to use our new Intel Core 2 Duo-based system with Windows Vista OS. The configuration of our new testbed is as follows:

Corsair DDR2 1066MHz memory (2x1GB)Maxtor MaXLine III 7B250S0 (Serial ATA-150, 16MB buffer)
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 sound card
Enermax Galaxy DXX EGX1000EWL 1000W power supplyDell 3007WFP monitor (30", 2560x1600 max display resolution)
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bitATI Catalyst HD2900_vista_8-37-4-070419a-046507E for the Radeon HD 2900 XT
ATI Catalyst 7.4 for the Radeon X1000
Nvidia ForceWare 158.19

ATI Catalyst:

Catalyst A.I.: Standard
Mipmap Detail Level: High Quality
Wait for vertical refresh: Always off
Adaptive antialiasing: On
Temporal antialiasing: Off
High Quality AF: On
Other settings: by default

Nvidia ForceWare:

Texture Filtering: High quality
Vertical sync: Off
Trilinear optimization: Off
Anisotropic optimization: Off
Anisotropic sample optimization: Off
Gamma correct antialiasing: On
Transparency antialiasing: On (multi-sampling)
Other settings: by default

3ds maxAs the name suggests, the 3dsmax-04 scenario simulates a typical load on the graphics card in the Autodesk 3ds max suite. It uses geometrically complex models and from 5 to 7 light sources.

As you can see, the results of the Radeon X1950 XTX and both GeForce 8800 models are rather close, within 14-16fps, while the new Radeon HD 2900 XT is on the losing side. This must be due to its imperfect driver.
The frame rates are low. To get a higher frame rate, you should use a professional card from the Quadro or FireGL series.
CATIAThe catia-02 scenario is for checking out a graphics card’s performance in the design and modeling system CATIA V5R12 developed by Dassault Systemes. It uses models containing from 1.2 to over 2 million vertexes, performs antialiasing verification, and changes model display modes on the fly, including a mode with textures and lighting.

Nvidia’s gaming solutions recede into the background, leaving top place to the humble Radeon X1950 XTX. The new Radeon HD 2900 XT has the worst result again. It suits poorly for working in CATIA, at least with the driver we used in our test session.
EnSightEnSight is a scientific data animation and visualization tool. It is frequently employed in physics research, particularly when studying the dynamics of liquids, the interaction of liquid and solid substances, etc. Each frame of the ensight-03 scenario from SPECViewperf 9.0.3 contains 3.2 million vertexes and some modeling modes make use of lighting, shading and texturing.

The Radeon HD 2900 XT is not as slower than the other cards in this test as it has been in the tests above, yet it still has the worst results. First place goes to the Radeon X1950 XTX again, which is closely followed by the GeForce 8800 GTX.

LightScapeThe LightScape Visualization System uses advanced physical lighting model algorithms to deliver fully realistic lighting in 3D scenes. The appropriate SPECViewperf scenario includes both wire models and models with smooth shading. Its geometrically most complex frame contains a total of 2.8 million vertexes.

The Radeon HD 2900 XT performs well enough yet is no better than the Radeon X1950 XTX despite all of its architectural improvements and innovations. The GeForce 8800 GTS is on the losing side, but the average speeds of the cards is only within 13-16fps.
MayaThis 3D modeling suite is used widely for creating special effects in movies and in games development, too. This SPECViewperf scenario uses a lot of models, the most complex of which has over 16 million vertexes and uses texturing. This is a heavy load even for a professional graphics card specifically optimized for such work.

Yielding over 25fps, the GeForce 8800 GTX regains the lead, but the Radeon X1950 XTX has a good result, too. The Radeon HD 2900 XT cannot reach a speed of 20fps even – due to its imperfect driver, again.
Pro/ENGINEERWidely employed in modern industry, the Pro/ENGINEER software is a tool for computer-aided design of mechanical components. This test scenario contains models with a complexity from 485 thousand to 5.9 million vertexes.

The Radeon HD 2900 XT is a loser again with a speed of less than 5fps. The GeForce 8800 GTX can yield a mere 11fps in this test, though.

SolidWorksAnother computer-aided design system from Dassault Systemes, SolidWorks is a direct rival to Pro/ENGINEER. The sw-02 scenario simulates the operation of SolidWorks 2004 using two models: a car engine and a sports car.

The ATI Radeon X1950 XTX wins here like it has done in a number of earlier professional tests, notwithstanding Nvidia’s vast experience in developing professional graphics cards. Alas, the Radeon HD 2900 XT has nothing to boast about. Outperforming the GeForce 8800 GTS is the best it can do here.
UGS Teamcenter Visualization MockupImitating the VisMockup visualization system, this test renders a complex model of a car with different shading modes containing from 5 to 11 million vertexes. This is one of the most resource-consuming tests in SPECViewperf 9.

And again the Radeon HD 2900 XT finds itself in last place while its predecessor Radeon X1950 XTX takes top position, considerably outperforming the GeForce 8800 GTX. Unfortunately, the overall performance level is as low as 2-4fps. It won’t be comfortable to work under such conditions.
UGS NX 3NX 3 is a universal computer-aided design and development tool combining all stages of the development process: computer-aided design, computer-aided engineering, and computer-aided manufacturing. This SPECViewperf scenario contains a number of models of varying degree of complexity, up to 30 million vertexes with shading and lighting. This is going to be a hard trial for the graphics subsystem.

Having a well-balanced architecture that can only be let down by driver-related flaws, the GeForce 8800 GTX takes the lead here. It is followed by the GeForce 8800 GTS and Radeon X1950 XTX. The Radeon HD 2900 XT is lagging behind once again. This is indeed an ordeal of a test as you can judge by the extremely low performance of our gaming graphics cards.

怎么还不如r580？:wacko:

[ 本帖最后由 Dr.BT 于 2007-5-26 00:16 编辑 ]

作者: madcat2100 时间: 2007-5-25 22:58
R580真强！不弱于G80！

作者: eiceman 时间: 2007-5-25 22:59
:a) 驱动，肯定是驱动！

作者: cfcnc 时间: 2007-5-25 23:01
Quadro已经成为专业市场的事实标准

作者: 1天 时间: 2007-5-25 23:01
:a) 显然是驱动问题！
:p 不过难得见到BT主ID发帖

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-25 23:04
游戏测试，游戏测试:huh:

bf2142随着分辨率提高，最小fps不敌对手...

怎么A卡突然怕HDR了:huh:

因为跑不过，所以黑盒取消了？:wacko:

来点新游戏或者说比较冷门的测试项目

这个.....
驱动问题似乎太大了
不应该啊

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-25 23:07
MARK总可以了吧:devil:

不过似乎有小插曲：

新测试
测试HDR的

驱动要加油啊，连R580都打不过说不过去啊:ph34r:

作者: 来不及思考 时间: 2007-5-25 23:11
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作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-25 23:13
测试总结

一个*代表第一
三个就是第三:whistling:
好像R600真是用来打GTS的

Highs:

Wide choice of antialiasing modesSupports FSAA and floating-point HDR simultaneously
Excellent quality of anisotropic filteringFuture-proof with support for DirectX 10 and Shader Model 4.0 Supports hardware tesselator unit for future games Supports fully hardware decoding of H.264 and other HD video formats
Unified architecture with 320 stream processors
512-bit memory bus
Efficient cooling system

Lows:

Imperfect driversPerhaps, insufficient number of texture processors and render back end processors
High power consumption
Noisy cooling system
New FSAA methods may blur image

缺陷：噪音扰民，功耗大，驱动搞笑以及新的FSAA模式会让图片模糊:ph34r:
好处似乎有点矛盾的
比如第一条和最后一条
以及aa方面的东西和h.264.....

作者: sz_graham 时间: 2007-5-25 23:14
不厚道又来撒盐:a)

作者: 来不及思考 时间: 2007-5-25 23:19
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作者: ft5555 时间: 2007-5-25 23:50
580才是一代神卡................以1敌3。（7900 8800 x2900）:p

作者: G70 时间: 2007-5-25 23:52
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作者: 末日之刃 时间: 2007-5-26 00:00
幻觉吧，驱动问题:a)

作者: eye2eye 时间: 2007-5-26 00:01

原帖由 来不及思考 于 2007-5-25 10:19 发表
New FSAA methods may blur image

:ph34r:

糊了也就没有锯齿了。这个也没错。:lol:

纹理问题交由AF来负责，结果败自家N年不变的45度优化所赐，也没有改观就是了。结果新AA＋AF的效果，说好听点，就像开了Bloom或者motion blur。:lol:

[ 本帖最后由 eye2eye 于 2007-5-25 11:05 编辑 ]

作者: eye2eye 时间: 2007-5-26 00:03
驱动有问题这个是比较明显的。但是也可能2900的最终问题也就是驱动开发和优化会非常难。1950XTX的驱动应该成熟了吧？但是看看新游戏的性能也是很一般的。结果2900更比1950还差。:unsure:

作者: phk 时间: 2007-5-26 00:05
惨不忍睹啊w00t)

作者: illm1005 时间: 2007-5-26 00:10
看了看,发现gts还真不匝地,,,幸好忍住了没有购买...

作者: ikinari 时间: 2007-5-26 00:30
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作者: lcdg 时间: 2007-5-26 00:30
哈哈哈
惨不忍睹的专业性能啊
拿块66GT软改都比上面任何一块卡强:lol: :lol:

作者: lqf3dnow 时间: 2007-5-26 08:30
GTS的强大竞争对手

作者: 末日之刃 时间: 2007-5-26 08:39

原帖由 lqf3dnow 于 2007-5-26 08:30 发表
GTS的强大竞争对手

打错字了吧，明明是Ultra的强大对手:blink:

作者: efficient3d 时间: 2007-5-26 09:10
SPEC Viewperf9.0我曾经也跑过，最后一个场景没有1G内存估计跑不动，当时我是640MB内存加Q4 900XGL，动都动不了，模型超复杂。

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-26 09:59

原帖由 lqf3dnow 于 2007-5-26 08:30 发表
GTS的强大竞争对手

GTS的强大竞争对手不是R580吗？:huh:

作者: alexha 时间: 2007-5-26 10:20

原帖由 Dr.BT 于 2007-5-26 09:59 发表

GTS的强大竞争对手不是R580吗？:huh:

完全不是一个界面上的两东西.

没有什么可比性.分数也不过只是分数.

作者: fspgp 时间: 2007-5-26 10:20
所以说就不要误导了，落后gtx这末长时间发布，性能不超反降。amd和ati还没有完全磨合

作者: slycool 时间: 2007-5-26 10:25
我认为，R600和R580能打平，不算太差。只是价格高了点，如果和1950pro的价格持平，我认为是很有性价比的，MSI的1950pro现在是799:lol:

作者: cool_exorcist 时间: 2007-5-26 11:00

原帖由 slycool 于 2007-5-26 10:25 发表
我认为，R600和R580能打平，不算太差。只是价格高了点，如果和1950pro的价格持平，我认为是很有性价比的，MSI的1950pro现在是799:lol:

你不想让AMD活了，上市几天就直线跳水

作者: gamekiller 时间: 2007-5-26 11:21
你们都错了,是这些软件有问题,做的不好,与X2900不兼容.

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-26 11:26

原帖由 alexha 于 2007-5-26 10:20 发表

完全不是一个界面上的两东西.

没有什么可比性.分数也不过只是分数.

:blink:
要不要把以前遍地的r580 hit gts说拉出来你看看？

作者: aibo 时间: 2007-5-26 11:27
R580果然是神卡，太强了:o

作者: fenchang 时间: 2007-5-26 11:40
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作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-26 11:55

原帖由 fenchang 于 2007-5-26 11:40 发表
A卡分明就是驱动问题:shifty:

而且就跑分没有驱动问题w00t)

作者: Hitachi 时间: 2007-5-26 12:19
8.381, 4AA16AF, improving.

作者: monsterrr 时间: 2007-5-26 12:38
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作者: Songhaipeng 时间: 2007-5-26 13:01
看来我还是买X1950XT搞设计得了

NV的卡没戏。

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-26 13:13

原帖由 Hitachi 于 2007-5-26 12:19 发表
8.381, 4AA16AF, improving.

哦？

ATI Catalyst:

Catalyst A.I.: Standard
Mipmap Detail Level: High Quality
Wait for vertical refresh: Always off
Adaptive antialiasing: On
Temporal antialiasing: Off
High Quality AF: On
Other settings: by default

这个设置？
调整下轻松可以提升分数啊，不需要升级驱动的

麻烦有2900的，用这设置跑跑看381下的4*16:huh:
谢谢

[ 本帖最后由 Dr.BT 于 2007-5-26 13:16 编辑 ]

作者: eye2eye 时间: 2007-5-26 13:16
Catalyst A.I.: Standard
Adaptive antialiasing: On
:sweatingbullets:

作者: 吞食鱼 时间: 2007-5-26 13:19
2900XT要是能改专业卡就好了

作者: 小rui 时间: 2007-5-26 13:50
在游戏卡上运行 Specviewperf 我看不出有什么意义。Specviewperf 调用的尽是些被游戏版本的驱动程序禁止（或者说是拒绝）进行硬件加速的实现请求，不管在 ATI 或者 NVIDIA 的游戏卡上都是一样的。图形核心都没有进行对应的硬件加速，这样的测试能说明什么问题？

Specviewperf / SPECapc 的测试结果仅对专业卡有意义，对游戏卡是无意义的。

作者: 末日之刃 时间: 2007-5-26 13:52

原帖由 小rui 于 2007-5-26 13:50 发表
在游戏卡上运行 Specviewperf 我看不出有什么意义。Specviewperf 调用的尽是些被游戏版本的驱动程序禁止（或者说是拒绝）进行硬件加速的实现请求，不管在 ATI 或者 NVIDIA 的游戏卡上都是一样的。图形核心都没有 ...

有空多看些新闻:huh:

作者: 小rui 时间: 2007-5-26 14:01

原帖由 末日之刃 于 2007-5-26 13:52 发表

有空多看些新闻:huh:

比如说？或者说是我对1楼的测试数据理解错误？

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-26 14:14

原帖由 小rui 于 2007-5-26 14:01 发表

比如说？或者说是我对1楼的测试数据理解错误？

他的是意思是r600出来前的这方面的测试横扫g80这件事情:lol:

作者: 小rui 时间: 2007-5-26 14:24

原帖由 Dr.BT 于 2007-5-26 14:14 发表

他的是意思是r600出来前的这方面的测试横扫g80这件事情:lol:

原来是这样，我一下没反映过来，呵呵~

坛子上斗斗嘴也就罢了，可 Xbit 还正式做这样的测试的话，我是觉得有点幼稚了。搞个 R600GL VS G80GL 还有意义些。

[ 本帖最后由小rui 于 2007-5-26 14:26 编辑 ]

作者: 末日之刃 时间: 2007-5-26 15:10

原帖由 小rui 于 2007-5-26 14:24 发表

原来是这样，我一下没反映过来，呵呵~

坛子上斗斗嘴也就罢了，可 Xbit 还正式做这样的测试的话，我是觉得有点幼稚了。搞个 R600GL VS G80GL 还有意义些。

专业卡对决，Xbit拿到卡就做的，这个倒不用担心

作者: jump_sun 时间: 2007-5-26 16:05
拿一堆民卡来测试Specviewperf~~~跑出的成绩有一一吗~~~
如果真要想自己用来工作~~~不如买块X1950PRO/XT改成firegl开的实在~~~

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-26 16:11

原帖由 jump_sun 于 2007-5-26 16:05 发表
拿一堆民卡来测试Specviewperf~~~跑出的成绩有一一吗~~~
如果真要想自己用来工作~~~不如买块X1950PRO/XT改成firegl开的实在~~~

健忘
r600发布前，可是拿着r600跑这个和qfx5600比的

作者: hitmanu 时间: 2007-5-26 16:47
哈哈哈,可见先前的测试数据就是扯淡!果然没错.

作者: 来不及思考 时间: 2007-5-26 17:26
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作者: lcdg 时间: 2007-5-26 18:01

原帖由 Dr.BT 于 2007-5-26 16:11 发表

健忘
r600发布前，可是拿着r600跑这个和qfx5600比的

但是实际的专业性能R600可是一团糟啊w00t) w00t)

作者: airforce14 时间: 2007-5-26 18:05
用OEM版本的驅動就不差了 DENNY評測過

作者: 末日之刃 时间: 2007-5-26 18:19

原帖由 airforce14 于 2007-5-26 18:05 发表
用OEM版本的驅動就不差了 DENNY評測過

关键字：驱动
给点新意好伐:huh:

作者: Dr.BT 时间: 2007-5-26 18:41

原帖由 airforce14 于 2007-5-26 18:05 发表
用OEM版本的驅動就不差了 DENNY評測過

denny测试出来的数据比当初报道的某些yy成绩低不少了
:huh:

作者: westwood3 时间: 2007-5-27 15:16
Phk之前的帖子里曾说过，8系列的n卡可以破解成专业卡，并且非常easy，，，我一直很好奇呢。。

作者: cool_exorcist 时间: 2007-5-27 15:32
不能挖坟真可惜啊w00t) ，要不然更热闹了

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