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INQ:IBM、AMD缔结GPGPU联盟,共同打击NV

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发表于 2009-11-28 12:10 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
Cell is no longer HPC material
IBM signs up for GPGPU

By Paul Taylor

Friday, 27 November 2009, 11:12





AS THE NEWS BROKE at Heise.de, you could almost feel the Cell collective - that is, the Sony PS3 developer community and gamers - reel in shock at the sharp, jagged bits of an interview with IBM's Deep Computing VP, David Turek, saying Cell was to be no more. Of course, since he is the VP of HPC at IBM he was just talking about HPC rather than everything else.

According to the IBM executive's crystal ball, Cell is now no longer the right platform on which to develop HPC computing and so IBM will be shifting its focus from Cell-based co-processing to OpenCL-based co-processing - AMD's GPU stuff, in not so many words. This means that while Cell served its purpose in proving parallel processing was the way to go, development costs of further Cell based products become pointless as GPGPU computing becomes more widespread. Considering AMD is one of IBM's closest research partners this hardly comes as a surprise.

We rang up IBM PR but, rather unsurprisingly, its message queue was full. So we'll give you our view on the matter.
So far, IBM's latest supercomputing solutions, such as Roadrunner, revolved around AMD's Opteron processors with Cell as a co-processor unit. The latter, a cell unit dubbed PowerXCell 8i, is capable of delivering massive FPU performance, greater than that of AMD's x86 CPUs by a factor of 100. What IBM wants now is to move this model to CPU plus GPGPU by signing on to the OpenCL express as another brand of parallel computing to accomplish such tasks as nuclear weapons simulations.

There are two wide-ranging implications in IBM's new stance. First, there will be no further development on the Cell architecture on IBM's HPC side. There will be further solutions and support from IBM using Cell, and other products in other lines with the current Cell chips. It's good, it works, so why not? What Turek has said is that the future is GPGPU either with APU solutions, as AMD calls them, or with CPUs closely coupled to discrete GPGPU coprocessing units - essentially what AMD's been going on about for the past year.

Second, IBM's Deep Computing division is precisely the real estate that Nvidia is looking to conquer. Turek had previously stated that the future of supercomputing will be a 'hybrid' solution - simple enough, as x86 plus GPGPU computing is hybrid enough. However, siding with OpenCL effectively puts Nvidia in a pinch. This is a first class IBM and AMD tag team against Nvidia.

Notwithstanding all of this, the future of the Cell processor is uncertain. It hasn't made a hit with consumer electronics devices as Toshiba and Sony had promised, and the encroachment of GPGPU processing definitely throws a spanner in the works. PS3 will live out its usefulness, but in all likelihood, and with the path taken by CPU and GPU developers, the PS4 will be a far cry from its predecessor. µ
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发表于 2009-11-28 12:12 | 只看该作者
按照很多人的观点,NV都快死了

既然都快死了,AMD还要拉着IBM,大动干戈地打NV?
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发表于 2009-11-28 12:16 | 只看该作者
INQ至今关于NV的新闻,正确率有多少?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-28 12:22 | 只看该作者
INQ至今关于NV的新闻,正确率有多少?
Asuka 发表于 2009-11-28 12:16


所以标题就写出INQ么……
我也不希望用AMD的GPU,我还希望用Larrabee呢
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发表于 2009-11-28 12:56 | 只看该作者
IBM和AMD一项走得比较近
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发表于 2009-11-28 13:07 | 只看该作者
您老觉得这个级别的企业除了打击对手没有别的事可做了吗?
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发表于 2009-11-28 13:17 | 只看该作者
NV不会那么容易倒的,没有永远的朋友和敌人,只有永远的利益............
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发表于 2009-11-28 13:39 | 只看该作者
IBM和AMD一项走得比较近
xxx2006 发表于 2009-11-28 13:56


IBM就是整amd的。。。amd就是玩物
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发表于 2009-11-28 13:39 | 只看该作者
nv,amd,intel三家谁都别倒
互相平衡下就好了
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发表于 2009-11-28 13:48 | 只看该作者
nv,amd,intel三家谁都别倒
互相平衡下就好了
philonb 发表于 2009-11-28 14:39


不会消失的。。。放心。。ati不是卖给amd。总会有人接手的。
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发表于 2009-11-28 14:27 | 只看该作者
打击倒谈不上,不过NV威胁到了大佬,大佬要联合小弟给予颜色,以后amd负责GPU硬件,ibm负责软件开发就有好戏看啦,

NV的技术理念还是蛮领先的,连续抢intel, ibm两位大佬的饭碗,看能不能像Google一样杀出一条血路 ...
AN_Fusion 发表于 2009-11-28 15:18


it界先行者一般没有好结果。。。奇怪。。
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发表于 2009-11-28 14:29 | 只看该作者
按照很多人的观点,NV都快死了

既然都快死了,AMD还要拉着IBM,大动干戈地打NV?
yamhill 发表于 2009-11-28 12:12

为什么nv快要死了,因为amd拉着ibm,大动干戈的打击nv。
因为amd拉着ibm,大动干戈的打击nv,所以nv快要死了。
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发表于 2009-11-28 14:30 | 只看该作者
为什么nv快要死了,因为amd拉着ibm,大动干戈的打击nv。
因为amd拉着ibm,大动干戈的打击nv,所以nv快要死了。
我有3个马甲 发表于 2009-11-28 14:29

咱们两个的帖子,打击和死的顺序完全颠倒了
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发表于 2009-11-28 17:55 | 只看该作者
如果这个新闻是真的,那就说明NV太强大了,强大到居然要IBM、AMD2家来联合制衡NV。。。


怎么看怎么觉得写这个文章的作者有点脑残精神
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发表于 2009-11-29 03:34 | 只看该作者
真的普及gpgpu,还是看好amd,intel

nV在这方面投入是很多,但是都是给别人做了嫁衣.本身cpu还得靠intel,intel过2年自己的东西出来还带nV玩么?nV没拿到intel芯片组授权,2年后gpgpu市场就自动退出了.

intel/amd同时把平台一换,新出的cpu必须要新的芯片组支持,新的芯片组再增加对gpgpu的支持,比如独立的高速总线,nV不杯具谁杯具?新的总线都不必在桌面平台上推出,单独出服务器版的芯片组,nV手里只有桌面的授权,拿去搞服务器搞的过么?amd/intel再在cpu的销售上卡你一道,对跟nV合作的系统集成商稍微限制限制,比如cpu卖天价,cpu+gpu打包就有折扣.
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nV做为gpu的厂商很强,但是玩hpc,跟那几个老狐狸比还不够水平.
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发表于 2009-11-29 09:13 | 只看该作者
在INTEL,IBM这种巨无霸面前,NV,AMD感觉很无力。
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发表于 2009-11-29 09:13 | 只看该作者
在INTEL,IBM这种巨无霸面前,NV,AMD感觉很无力。
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