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电源输出3.3和5V做什么用?要100W+

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发表于 2012-10-22 13:15 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
记得早些的电源,400W额定的话,12V联合输出就差不多350W左右,+5 +3.3的输出只有十来W。
然后现在经常看到500W额定的电源,12v联合输出还是350W左右,+5 +3.3的输出就有150左右了。。
耗电大户U和显卡都是用的+12吧?
那这个+5 +3.3用来干嘛的?要那么多功率干嘛?主板上的IC?还是外设供电?
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发表于 2012-10-22 14:49 | 只看该作者
历史遗留问题。。。

当年计算机还是用TTL电平的时候,主力供电是5V
主板上所有逻辑IC的供电电压都是5V,不存在3.3V供电。
为了支持工业标准ISA总线,电源提供 +12V +5V -5V -12V 四种电压
其中+12V还被5.25软盘驱动器和散热风扇使用。

从586时代开始,CPU不再使用5V核心电压,改用一个小型降压电路从5V降压取得CPU核心电压。

后来 SDR 内存提出,使用3.3V内存供电,正好赶上Intel在制定ATX规范。
于是20针ATX电源插头中就有了很多3.3V供电的针脚。

奔腾三时代,CPU用5V转换,内存直接用3.3V,已经基本成为标准。

奔腾四时代,因为Intel自己失败的设计,CPU功耗暴涨,电源的+5V输出带不动了。
这才改用12V给CPU供电。

再往后12V就越来越重要,5V就越来越少了。
但是历史上5V却很重要,这个想改掉不是那么容易的。。。。
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发表于 2012-10-22 14:55 | 只看该作者
电源各路电压与主板供电分配

12V通过VRM9.0调节为1.15~1.75V供给CPU、VttFSB、CPU-I/O,此外12V哈供给一部分的AGP、PCI与CNR(communication NetWork Riser),另外12V给硬盘的电机供电。

5V会经过VID调整成1.2V的CPU供电,这个主要是P4处理上0/1相位的判断。第二部分会经过VRM变为2.5V的内存供电,并在此经过压降变为1.5V提供给北桥做为核心电压同时还有VccAGP、VccHI。第三部分则给US供电,第四路给AGP、PCI与CNR供电。,同时5V还参与硬盘的供电,为磁头驱动与芯片供电

3.3V主要为AGP与PCI供电,另外南桥的Vcc3_3及时钟发生器、LPC Super I/O、FWH(Bios)等

5Vsb则是开机唤醒信号,同时在芯片组中必须要提供定量的电流才可启动主板,比如845芯片要求1A的电流,另外一部5Vsb则被调整为2.5V电压供内存,还有一部分被调节为1.5V与3.3V在系统挂起时提供南桥所需电压,第四部分用于USB端口(on/off charge就是这么来的)。
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发表于 2012-10-22 16:17 | 只看该作者
楼上版主解释的很详细,学习了
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发表于 2012-10-22 16:21 | 只看该作者
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX

ATX power supply revisions

[edit] Original ATX

ATX, introduced in late 1995, defined three types of power connectors:
4-pin "Molex connector" — transferred directly from AT standard: +5 V and +12 V for P-ATA hard disks, CD-ROMs, 5.25 inch floppy drives and other peripherals.[11]
4-pin Berg floppy connector — transferred directly from AT standard: +5 V and +12 V for 3.5 inch floppy drives and other peripherals.[12]
20-pin Molex Mini-fit Jr. main motherboard connector — new to the ATX standard.
A supplemental 6-pin AUX connector providing additional 3.3 V and 5 V supplies to the motherboard, if needed. This was used to power the CPU in motherboards with CPU voltage regulator modules which required 3.3 volt and/or 5 volt rails and could not get enough power through the regular 20-pin header.

The power distribution specification defined that most of the PSU's power should be provided on 5 V and 3.3 V rails, because most of the electronic components (CPU, RAM, chipset, PCI, AGP and ISA cards) used 5 V or 3.3 V for power supply. The 12 V rail was only used by fans and motors of peripheral devices (HDD, FDD, CD-ROM, etc.).

The original ATX power supply specification was little revised until 2000.

[edit] ATX12V 1.x

While designing the Pentium 4 platform in 1999/2000, the standard 20-pin ATX power connector was found insufficient to meet increasing power-line requirements; the standard was significantly revised into ATX12V 1.0 (ATX12V 1.x is sometimes inaccurately called ATX-P4). ATX12V 1.x was also adopted by AMD Athlon XP and Athlon 64 systems. However, some early model Athlon XP and MP boards (including some server boards) and later model lower-end motherboards do not have the 4-pin connector as described below.

[edit] ATX12V 1.0

The main changes and additions in ATX12V 1.0 (released in February 2000) were:
Increased the power on the 12 V rail (power on 5 V and 3.3 V rails remained mostly the same).
An extra 4-pin mini fit JR (Molex 39-01-2040), 12-volt connector to power the CPU.[13] Formally called the +12 V Power Connector, this is commonly referred to as the P4 connector because this was first needed to support the Pentium 4 processor.

Before the Pentium 4, processors were generally powered from the 5V rail. Later processors operate at much lower voltages, typically around 1 V, and some draw over 100 A. It is infeasible to provide power at such low voltages and high currents from a standard system power supply, so the Pentium 4 established the practice of generating it with a DC-to-DC converter on the motherboard next to the processor, powered by the 4-pin 12V connector.

[edit] ATX12V 1.1

This is a minor revision from August 2000. The power on the 3.3 V rail was slightly increased, and other smaller changes were made.

[edit] ATX12V 1.2

A relatively minor revision from January 2002. The only significant change was that the −5 V rail was no longer required (it became optional). This voltage was used only on some old systems with certain ISA add-on cards.

[edit] ATX12V 1.3

Introduced in April 2003 (a month after 2.0). This standard introduced some changes, mostly minor. Some of them are:
Slightly increased the power on 12 V rail.
Defined minimal required PSU efficiencies for light and normal load.
Defined acoustic levels.
Introduction of Serial ATA power connector (but defined as optional).
The −5 V rail is prohibited.

[edit] ATX12V 2.x

ATX12V 2.x brought a very significant design change regarding power distribution. On analyzing the then-current PC architecture's power demands, it was determined that it would be much cheaper and more practical to power most PC components from 12 V rails, instead of from 3.3 V and 5 V rails.

[edit] ATX12V 2.0





ATX 450 PHF.
The above conclusion was incorporated in ATX12V 2.0 (introduced in February 2003), which defined quite different power distribution from ATX12V 1.x:
The main ATX power connector was extended to 24 pins. The extra four pins provide one additional 3.3 V, 5 V and 12 V circuit.
The 6-pin AUX connector from ATX12V 1.x was removed because the extra 3.3 V and 5 V circuits which it provided are now incorporated in the 24-pin main connector.
Most power is now provided on 12 V rails. The standard specifies that two independent 12 V rails (12 V2 for the 4 pin connector and 12 V1 for everything else) with independent overcurrent protection are needed to meet the power requirements safely (some very high power PSUs have more than two rails, recommendations for such large PSUs are not given by the standard).
The power on 3.3 V and 5 V rails was significantly reduced.
The power supply is required to include a Serial ATA power cable.
Many other specification changes and additions.

[edit] ATX12V v2.01

This is a minor revision from June 2004. An errant reference for the -5V rail was removed. Other minor changes were introduced.

[edit] ATX12V v2.1

This is a minor revision from March 2005. The power was slightly increased on all rails. Efficiency requirements changed. Added 6-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that aids the PCIe slot in the motherboard, delivering 75 watts.

[edit] ATX12V v2.2

Another minor revision. Added 8-pin connector for PCIe graphics cards that delivers another 150 watts.

[edit] ATX12V v2.3

Effective March 2007 and current as of 2012. Recommended efficiency was increased to 80% (with at least 70% required), and the 12 V minimum load requirement was lowered. Higher efficiency generally results in less power consumption (and less waste heat), and the 80% recommendation brings supplies in line with new Energy Star 4.0 mandates.[14] The reduced load requirement allows compatibility with processors that draw very little power during startup.[15] The absolute over-current limit of 240VA per rail was removed, allowing 12V lines to provide more than 20A per rail.
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发表于 2012-10-22 20:01 | 只看该作者
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-22 21:49 | 只看该作者
谢谢。。学习了~~~~~
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-10-22 21:52 | 只看该作者
问题是,显卡的话,有专门的供电,硬盘一个算10W吧 ,各种IO怎么算就几十W。。。。感觉弄一个180W的供电有点浪费吧。毕竟这东西都是要花钱的,钱花了,得花的明白咯。
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发表于 2012-10-22 21:59 | 只看该作者
大点不浪费,尤其一个台机挂10多块硬盘的主

一般电源设计够挂至少6-10块硬盘的,3.5用12v、5v,2.5用5v
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