HardOCP 爆 AMD 要求（asking）测试中不得在评测中使用 HAWX 2 preview benchmark

Edison · 发表于 2010-10-20 23:11

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/10/20/benchmark_wars/

You guys know we 【请注意文明用词】canned benchmarks years ago because we found those unreliable as indicators of gaming performance and GPU cross-comparisons. While we have moved on, the GPU companies have not. Yesterday we got an email from NVIDIA about a new H.A.W.X. 2 benchmark and the company encouraged us to use it on upcoming reviews. Today we got an email from AMD asking us not to use it on upcoming products.

It has come to our attention that you may have received an early build of a benchmark based on the upcoming Ubisoft title H.A.W.X. 2. I'm sure you are fully aware that the timing of this benchmark is not coincidental and is an attempt by our competitor to negatively influence your reviews of the AMD Radeon™ HD 6800 series products. We suggest you do not use this benchmark at present as it has known issues with its implementation of DirectX® 11 tessellation and does not serve as a useful indicator of performance for the AMD Radeon™ HD 6800 series. A quick comparison of the performance data in H.A.W.X. 2, with tessellation on, and that of other games/benchmarks will demonstrate how unrepresentative H.A.W.X. 2 performance is of real world performance.

AMD has demonstrated to Ubisoft tessellation performance improvements that benefit all GPUs, but the developer has chosen not to implement them in the preview benchmark. For that reason, we are working on a driver-based solution in time for the final release of the game that improves performance without sacrificing image quality. In the meantime we recommend you hold off using the benchmark as it will not provide a useful measure of performance relative to other DirectX® 11 games using tessellation.

That last paragraph is fairly damning in my opinion and it raises some big questions. Is Ubisoft in NVIDIA's pocket and pushing technology while ignoring the company with the largest DX11 market share? Is NVIDIA pushing a benchmark of a yet-to-be released game that is somewhat broken on its competitors cards? We know NVIDIA's current GPU has more Tessellation power than AMD's latest, but we have yet to see it make a difference in anything besides a benchmark. I think this shows NVIDIA grasping at straws and I don't think it has anything up its sleeve that AMD does not already have as well; like refinements in TSMC's 40nm process.

Sirlion · 发表于 2010-10-21 23:48

回复 Edison

这是原因么？

所以amd表示“过于强力而纯粹的细分曲面是一种浪费”…………
Sirlion 发表于 2010-10-20 23:41

WTF！回来才发现当时的图怎么没了！？

重新发一次好了

kv18 · 发表于 2010-10-21 22:19

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los_parrot · 发表于 2010-10-21 19:23

AMD has demonstrated to Ubisoft tessellation performance improvements that benefit all GPUs, but the developer has chosen not to implement them in the preview benchmark. For that reason, we are working on a driver-based solution in time for the final release of the game that improves performance without sacrificing image quality.

AMD向ubi展示了如何能在所有gpu上提高TS性能的方法,但是开发人员决定不在预览测试中加入这些改动.因此,我们(AMD)正在开发一个不损害游戏效果的驱动端方案.

ak75 · 发表于 2010-10-21 17:07

回复 16# Edison

内建得benchmark虽然比较方便，但不一定和游戏实际体验能够吻合。

当然这个要看游戏类型，fps游戏基本可以用fraps或者msi得工具。

rts内建的现在比较好的就是dow2的benchmark，因为它比较接近真实的3v3环境，尤其对最低帧数敏感

动作类lp2和街霸4得也不错。不过我玩的不多

孤岛那个工具我就从来不用的，至于飞机游戏，没有玩过

hd4770 · 发表于 2010-10-21 13:48

[quote]其实嘛，理论测试不一定跟实际性能挂钩，就好比AMD CPU跑winrar理论快，实际解压缩快不了多少。最终还是要 ...
dengyixiong 发表于 2010-10-21 13:05

这不是溺了吗？

hd4770 · 发表于 2010-10-21 13:40

还带不准测啥啥地，这不

oooooo · 发表于 2010-10-21 13:20

都是板上a饭说的
goldman948 发表于 2010-10-21 12:36

额。。。。明明是你家黄SIR说的。。。。。。。。

dengyixiong · 发表于 2010-10-21 13:07

是啊，NV指明要求媒体按他的要求测试AMD的新显卡，对媒体的控制真不一般啊
elisha 发表于 2010-10-21 12:52

N饭们还没解释为啥鬼泣4刚出时被4850秒全家，后来靠驱动才赶上。难道NV不是作弊？N饭们见风使舵的本领无人能及啊

dengyixiong · 发表于 2010-10-21 13:05

AMD 的几何处理能力不济，需要使用侦测几何特性的方式来降低几何处理需求，NVIDIA 的 Fermi 在几何处理 ...
Edison 发表于 2010-10-21 12:21

其实嘛，理论测试不一定跟实际性能挂钩，就好比AMD CPU跑winrar理论快，实际解压缩快不了多少。最终还是要看架构和软件优化程度。

shu0202 · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:59

AMD 的 Richard Huddy 的确说过类似的话，除非你视而不见。
Edison 发表于 2010-10-21 09:19

我是说此人正在想象这个DX11游戏使用了“过于强力而纯粹的细分曲面”……

yyzjp · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:53

460用户表示淡定没鸭梨：）

elisha · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:52

测一舞成名 N饭们双脚都举起来。分明是NVIDIA要求测HAWX2，跑DEMO的本事AMD还是略逊一筹啊
dengyixiong 发表于 2010-10-21 12:45

是啊，NV指明要求媒体按他的要求测试AMD的新显卡，对媒体的控制真不一般啊

dengyixiong · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:49

明年D11游戏多了，你就不会这么说了
huanghuooo 发表于 2010-10-21 12:24

8800GTX跑得动孤岛了？。同理GTX460也跑不动？

dengyixiong · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:45

不就是英威达的阴谋吗，这边怎么就这么偏
elisha 发表于 2010-10-21 12:33

测一舞成名 N饭们双脚都举起来。分明是NVIDIA要求测HAWX2，跑DEMO的本事AMD还是略逊一筹啊

jhg1159 · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:37

回复 60# Edison

实际上还是动态降低TS等级吧。实现方式是通过硬件还是驱动？

goldman948 · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:36

DX11无用论，CPU无用论，x86无用论又是谁说的？
dengyixiong 发表于 2010-10-21 09:41

都是板上a饭说的

elisha · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:33

Yesterday we got an email from NVIDIA about a new H.A.W.X. 2 benchmark and the company encouraged us to use it on upcoming reviews. Today we got an email from AMD asking us not to use it on upcoming products.

不就是英威达的阴谋吗，这边怎么就这么偏

Edison · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:32

回复 Edison

自适应TS是不是指，将按细分复杂成度，来降低细分效果
jhg1159 发表于 2010-10-21 12:29

效果不见得降低，因为三角形尺寸小于 1 个像素的时候，就很难察觉。

jhg1159 · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:29

回复 56# Edison

自适应TS是不是指，将按细分复杂成度，来降低细分效果

chtknight3 · 发表于 2010-10-21 12:28

明年D11游戏多了，你就不会这么说了
huanghuooo 发表于 2010-10-21 12:24

麻烦先看看我51楼把。
另：d11=重度ts？
还有，估计明年乃至后年，d11游戏里都不会有多少个重度ts的d

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