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AMD要挟媒体:要想发表K10的评测,先要批准

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发表于 2007-9-11 07:20 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=441

要想拿到K10样品做评测,就要签下NDA,其中规定如果要发表关于K10的文章,必须送交AMD审阅,获得书面同意才能发表。

这大概就是为什么几个著名的大站都没有发布测试结果,目前只有Anandtech和TechReport两家发布测试结果,却还不约而同的使用了SpecJBB做测试,并且使用只为AMD优化的老版本Java虚拟机v1.5,而且其他选取的程序都是偏向AMD的。并且,即便是测了K10的桌面程序性能也不拿任何Intel的成绩来做对比。


AMD NDA Scandal

Just two weeks ago, we reported that a Thai journalist walked out of the hush-hush (but ultimately pointless) AMD event in Singapore over a controversial NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) that required him to "send any stories to the vendor before his newspaper can publish it". AMD categorically denied it happened, stating...

   ...it is inaccurate. We had a great session yesterday and the journalists came away with a better understanding and even more enthusiasm about our upcoming barcelona launch. Definitely no one walked out of yesterday's presentation.

Today, we can confirm that report and even identify the journalist who walked out. He is none other than Don Sambandaraksa of the Bangkok Post, whom I met once. He posted about the issue just a few days ago. By coming out and clearing the air about the issue, we now have a much better understanding of what went on.

All of those invited to the event were given an NDA to sign before going on that 5-star, all-expense-paid trip to Singapore. Hidden in that piece of legal boilerplate were some sneaky clauses. Yeah, don't we just love those clauses. This is what Don found in that NDA :

    First off, the non-disclosure agreement covered everything confidential said or written over the next two years on the product, and had a duration of five years, during which anything published or used in marketing would have to receive written approval from AMD before it could be used. Worse, at the end of the five years, all copies of the information made would have to be returned to the chipmaker.

Translated, that means those who sign the NDA must get their work approved in writing by AMD before they can be published. If that's not unethical, then we need to rewrite the dictionary. Don stomped his foot right there, and apparently so did other journalists. Good for them!

Finally, AMD agreed to let Don and the other journalists attend the event without signing that particular NDA. Everything was hunky-dory on Day 1 of the event, other than the fact that AMD was merely regurgitating what they had already revealed to the US press (and the entire world online) a whole month ago.

On Day 2 though, they were presented with another NDA to sign before a factory visit. This one stipulated that "any confidential information from this visit would need written approval from corporate communications before it could be used". I don't know about you, but that clause sounds exactly like the clause in the first NDA. The PR person even had the temerity to say that it was "just paperwork and that everyone, be it a president or prime minister, had to sign this document". That was when Don walked out.



What Does This Mean To Us?

AMD will be launching their new Quad-Core Opteron (Barcelona) processor tomorrow, September 10, 2007 amid much fanfare and simultaneous article and press releases from websites all over the world. The synchronicity of the whole affair will be ensured by the NDA being enforced on all those who signed it.

It is highly probable that the same NDA will be used to force everyone to toe the line and publish only suitably-positive, pre-approved articles. It's either that or face the threat of lawsuits. So, keep that in mind when you wade through the inevitable deluge of articles and reports on the AMD Quad-Core Opteron (Barcelona) processor from tomorrow onwards.

Curiously, Don stated that "AMD issued an apology a week later saying the incident was a misunderstanding among certain local staff and that it is not, and has never been, AMD policy to vet the stories of tier-1 publications prior to publication." What exactly did AMD mean by that?

Does that mean it is AMD policy to vet tier-2 and tier-3 publications? I will let you decide for yourselves.
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发表于 2007-9-11 07:41 | 只看该作者
AMD啊。。。:funk:


真的...拜托您还是快倒闭吧……
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:01 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Rock·Will 于 2007-9-11 07:41 发表
AMD啊。。。:funk:


真的...拜托您还是快倒闭吧……

:lol:

我就说测试为啥只有那几个呢

不过k10的内存控制性能确实不错哈
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:09 | 只看该作者
倒.....虽然我用着4200+

但看到这个新闻,AMD,你可以去死了
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:18 | 只看该作者
原帖由 bwdinlife 于 2007-9-11 08:01 发表

:lol:

我就说测试为啥只有那几个呢

不过k10的内存控制性能确实不错哈


K10在L1/L2性能上较K8有所提升,所以整体内存带宽要高于K8平台。
但是AMD的内存性能好不是因为K10,而完全是由其NUMA架构决定的,CPU个数翻一番,内存带宽理论上也会翻一番.相比之下 Intel的FSB架构带宽和cpu个数无关,单CPU和K10还有一拼,上了双路以上就不行了,再加上FB-DIMM的高延迟和性能低下的5000系列芯片组,双路Xeon的内存性能只好用惨不忍睹来形容,只有双路K10的一半,大概3000-4000MB/s左右,大家桌面的C2D可以轻松达到7000-8000。如此可怜的内存性能,在带宽敏感测试里当然会输了。

这次的测试AMD不允许使用游戏项目,而且只给几个网站发放了样品。
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:28 | 只看该作者
amd还是快倒闭算了, 尽快来个其他竞争者
实在看不下去了, 已经不要脸到这种底部了
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:31 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:40 | 只看该作者
论坛恢复了???
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:42 | 只看该作者
商场如战场,兵不厌诈


商场亦如此。呵呵!
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发表于 2007-9-11 08:45 | 只看该作者
论坛主机是不是刚换成Barcelona乐w00t)
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:02 | 只看该作者
amd在桌面市场快混不下去了...
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:04 | 只看该作者
查了一下SPECJBB的成绩,果然测试有猫腻啊。
http://www.spec.org/jbb2005/resu ... 20070717-00325.html
http://www.spec.org/jbb2005/resu ... 20070529-00319.html
Dual  X5365   236169
Quad 8222se 176909
也就是说和K8相比Conroe同频同核心数下有30%的领先幅度,而在JVM中只有10%的领先了。
照这个结果看,如果换成BEA,K10的成绩最多和同频的clovetown相当。
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:23 | 只看该作者
AMD干脆自己写个评测,做为新华社通稿发表的了
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:24 | 只看该作者
AMD的前景确实不妙啊…………
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:26 | 只看该作者
终于爬上来了,另,多谢三毛妮先生/女士。我没有QQ,工作时间也不用那玩艺。
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:27 | 只看该作者
原帖由 acqwer 于 2007-9-11 09:04 发表
查了一下SPECJBB的成绩,果然测试有猫腻啊。
http://www.spec.org/jbb2005/results/res2007q3/jbb2005-20070717-00325.html
http://www.spec.org/jbb2005/results/res2007q2/jbb2005-20070529-00319.html
Du ...

AMD是不允许的。:loveliness:
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:30 | 只看该作者
要拿到CPU渠道多得是。
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:32 | 只看该作者
强啊~~~~~~
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:33 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Edison 于 2007-9-11 09:30 发表
要拿到CPU渠道多得是。

PCI的测评什么时候上?
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发表于 2007-9-11 09:37 | 只看该作者
看多了就不奇怪了,老外做这样的事情,比我们还绝
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